Detoxing – or Getting Fluoride OUT!!
Getting off of fluoride is fine, great effects – but getting it out of my body is another challenge.
When I detox fluoride, I get back the old symptoms and feel truly icky. Sure hope there’s a better way of getting this stuff out of my body!!
I’ve read that Boron helps to get fluoride out of the body. Iodine is also supposed to do it. Organic kelp powder gives a low dose, gentle way of consuming iodine.
But if these things uproot the fluoride from it’s nesting places in my body and gets it back into circulation, it seems reasonable that it would make me feel like crap while it’s looking for it’s exit point. I really don’t want to release it into my blood stream only to overload my kidneys trying to excrete it.
That’s what’s happened when I’ve tried these things in the past. I get nauseous, headachy, fuzzy minded, weak, fatigued, my abdomen feels achy and tender, and have a really difficult time peeing.
Has anyone tried this? What’s worked and how did you feel?
GoldaStarr
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btw Golda, I LOVE your detective theme!!
This information is fantastic –thanks to each of you! I especially like this line from Aliss:
“…all nutrients are synergistic when proportional to each other as Nature would provide from the freshest foods and surface or rain water available for the finding.”
This is pretty much the basis for my bone broth theory. Supplements have their purpose, but I’ve found they are rarely as effective as truly nutrient-dense food sources of whatever element you are trying to supplement. Homemade bone broth might not contain as much boron as a boron supplement, but maybe it doesn’t have to.
Bone broth (from a healthy animal raised in the traditional manner) contains the complete spectrum of minerals and other nutrients the body needs for healthy bones and connective tissue. I just don’t think we are at the point in our nutritional knowledge as a society where we are able to make effective supplements. We don’t know how all the minerals interact or what ratios in which they should be consumed, or how to effectively measure them in the body. To me, it makes more sense to heal fluoride poisoning with the same healing foods people have been using throughout history.
See, http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/515-broth-is-beautiful for a look at the history of bone broth in world cuisine.
If anyone has more info on boron or other minerals to detox fluoride, I would love to hear about it. My contact info is here: http://www.celluliteinvestigation.com/contact
Thanks again!
Agreed. Food based nutrition can be superior. I have cautions on bone broth. One is with respect to mechanically deboned meat being quite high in fluoride. If purchasing broth, I question the fluoride content of it – and of course it is never tested.
I’ve inquired with some of the “experts” and they don’t have any figures on the fluoride content of broth. As we’ve seen, the fluoride content of baby food meats is quite high due to the fact that the meat is mechanically deboned. Also, fluoride concentrates in animal bones, so making broth of it may be questionable as the fluoride would leech into the broth. The animal would need to be fed nonfluoridated water and foods that don’t contain fluoride – which probably means that they need to have eaten a vegetarian diet. Remember how high the fluoride content is in pet foods? (see my “Pet” page)
How about if we say bone broth is good when it’s made with bones of animals fed a vegetarian diet and provided with nonfluoridated water?
I’ve written several posts about the fluoride content of broth. Mostly, I’ve been able to figure it out through trial and error over the pasts two years. My skin reacts to fluoride in 3-5 hours, so it is relatively easy for me to figure out which foods contains significant amounts. It is not all that helpful for “experts” to measure the fluoride content of stock because it varies drastically depending on how the animal was raised (just as it does with humans).
Most of the fluoride that is stored in the animal’s bones comes from fluoride-based pesticides in their feed. Smaller animals (like chickens and turkeys) have less tolerance for fluoride than larger animals (like cows). Also, cows are herbivores so if you purchase beef bones from animals raised in the traditional manner, they will have spent their life grazing on grass instead of eating feed.
The best option is to make homemade beef stock from animals who are raised on organic pasture. I never recommend store-bought stock. Here are two great websites for finding local farmers who raise their animals in the traditional manner:
http://www.eatwild.com/
http://www.westonaprice.org/
(I am researching all this info for an e-book I am writing about fluoroderma. I hope it’s helpful!)
This is so helpful and it clarifies some of my concerns PLUS lets me know how bone broth can be safe! Initially I wasn’t sure what you meant by animals raised in the traditional way – but now I get it.
Have you checked out the little video on the Pets page? You may find it interesting.
Melissa, I read some web page where the guy was using dilutions of borax to bind with fluoride for detoxing. Not thinking that was the route I wanted to go, I researched and found various references to detoxing with boron. Aliss answered the question of just how much boron is within the range of safety and effectiveness.
Iodine is another detoxer. For that, I defer to the thoughtful folks at iodine yahoogroups.com. A great resource.
Sorry, I don’t know the effects of taking high doses of boron but my guess is this: all nutrients are synergistic when proportional to each other as Nature would provide from the freshest foods and surface or rain water available for the finding.
If you get too much of one thing through supplement or monodiet you can create relative deficiencies in other things or block their uptake from the gut. Example is taking a lot of zinc and causing copper deficiency; eating liver from an animal that is known to have toxic amounts of vitamin A in liver (like bear) or taking calcium supplement which blocks iron uptake. Even taking a lot of C every day which helps excrete fluoride and aluminum very nicely can cause problems with depletion of companion nutrients like E.
As daily fluoride overdose or chronic poisoning from accumulation or elevated background serum levels from acute poisoning depletes or causes relative deficiencies of calcium, magnesium, boron, iodine, selenium, zinc, C, E, D, K2 and who knows what else, taking large doses of boron might result in deficiency symptoms of something else once the boron deficiency has been solved.
Or you just might get a tummy ache – I don’t know. Boron is a trace mineral and trace minerals have tighter ranges of optimal intake (sometimes in nano or micrograms, very low) and lower ceiling for toxicity than macro nutrients like calcium, magnesium, proteins, fats and carbohydrates. Iron and cobalt are examples. Toxic and even fatal if you take too much, but absolutely essential for making blood.
As for boron: 3-10 mg is the usual daily intake that seems to help most of us. Boron citrate is a commonly available form in tablet or capsule. Borax (the cleaning agent) is sometimes mentioned as a source of boron that can be supplemented, but it may be contaminated with heavy metals, may provide too much sodium, and is difficult to control dose (e.g. like fluoridation!) so it is not recommended. I used to use borax and no longer do. I stick to reputable supplemental grade.
About baking soda: The Arm and Hammer baking soda is food grade, so no worries about heavy metals. Unfortunately sodium bicarbonate does not bind fluoride although it can be useful to raise the pH of urine a bit, which does improve fluoride excretion in urine if the urine was previously too acidic. ¼ teaspoon in a glass of water with a generous pinch of ascorbic acid powder makes a refreshing drink, a bit bubbly.
Calcium phosphate binds fluoride. You can take Schuessler tissue salt Calc Phos for this. Vitamin C and trace minerals like selenium, zinc, boron, molybdenum, strontium help bones attract calcium instead of fluoride. Vitamin K2 as menaquinone or menatetrenone ferries calcium into bone.
Things that help bone turn over faster are exercise and fasting. So if you exercise on empty stomach (equivalent of short term fast), hydrate with water that has at least 1,000 mg of vitamin C (buffered,
such as calcium ascorbate with some sodium ascorbate) during exercise, then have the post-exercise meal that is rich in calcium, minerals and protein, you kick out more lead, aluminum and fluoride from bone, excrete more in urine, and replenish your bones with fluoride-fighting nutrients.
It’s not a magic cure but it helps with symptoms a lot.
I found an article I had saved that explained the relation between Fluorine, Chlorine, Bromine and Iodine. The iodine is the heaviest, which is why it can be displaced by the other three. Here is an excerpt from the article (from Folk Medicine by D.C. Jarvis, MD):
It is well established that the iodine content of the thyroid gland is dependent upon the iodine available in the food and water intake of the individual. If the iodine intake is low the gland is deprived of an element it needs to do its work……
This gland performs other functions besides killing harmful germs in the blood. The first is the rebuilding of energy with which to do the day’s work. There is a definite relationship between the amount of energy you have and your iodine intake…..
A second function of iodine is to calm the body and relieve nervous tension. When nervous tension runs high there is irritability and difficulty in sleeping well at night, and the body is continually on a combat basis, organized for fight and flight. All these points stress a body’s need for iodine to lessen nervous tension, relax the body and enable it to or-ganize for peace and quiet, by the building and storing of body reserves against time of need…..
A third function of iodine in the human body relates to clear thinking. The mind simply works better when the body is supplied the iodine it needs.
Then there is the matter of the storing of unwanted fat. Iodine is one of the best oxidizing catalysts we have. A catalyst is the match which touches off in the body the fire that burns up the food we take in each day. If this food is not properly burned off, it may be stored as unwanted fat.
Now while the thyroid gland helpfully stores iodine from the blood passing through it every 17 minutes, the gland may also be made to lose that stored iodine if, for example, we take in drinking water to which chlorine is added, or use too much sodium chloride, whose common name is table salt. There is a well-known law of halogen displacement. The halogen group is made up as follows:
Relative Halogen Atomic Weight
Fluorine 19.
Chlorine 35.5
Bromine 80.
Iodine 127.
The critical activity of any one of these four halogens is in inverse proportion to its atomic weight. This means that any one of the four can displace the element with a higher atomic weight, but cannot displace an element with a lower atomic weight. For example, fluorine can displace chlorine, bromine and iodine because fluorine has a lower atomic weight than the other three. Similarly, chlorine can displace bromine and iodine because they both have a higher atomic weight.
Likewise, bromine can displace iodine from the body because iodine has a higher atomic weight. But a reverse order is not possible. A knowledge of this well-known chemical law brings us to a consideration of the addition of chlorine to our drinking water as a purifying agent. We secure a drinking water that is harmful to the body not because of its harmful germ content but because the chlorine content now causes the body to lose the much-needed iodine……
Hope that helps!
Karen
Karen, you are right, also, the intake of fluorine in many products as tea, toothpaste, water or fluoridated salt and milk etc. will make the body to have a lot of fluorine ions in the blood, fluorine ions bond to metals (calcium in bones) and causes bone to lose flexibility, becoming brittle) and since fluorine is more electronegative than Oxigen, it displaces Oxigen from blood and bonds to iron.
Golda, when/where did you read about boron’s ability to displace fluoride? I heard this from a registered pharmacist who specializes in iodine testing, but he didn’t know of any published articles.
Have you tried homemade bone broth for detoxing fluoride? It’s my latest theory and so far, results are promising.