Detoxing – or Getting Fluoride OUT!!

Detoxing – or Getting Fluoride OUT!!

Getting off of fluoride is fine; that is, stopping the flow of it INTO my body —  However, getting it out of my body is a different – and difficult challenge.

When I detox fluoride, I get back the old symptoms and feel truly icky. Sure hope there’s a better way of getting this stuff out of my body!!

I’ve read that Boron helps to get fluoride out of the body. Iodine is also supposed to do it. Organic kelp powder gives a low dose, gentle way of consuming iodine – but can be packed with fluoride.

But if these things uproot the fluoride from it’s nesting places in my body and gets it back into circulation, it seems reasonable that it would make me feel like crap while it’s looking for it’s exit point. I really don’t want to release it into my blood stream only to overload my kidneys trying to excrete it.

That’s what’s happened when I’ve tried these things in the past. I get nauseous, headachy, fuzzy minded, weak, fatigued, my abdomen feels achy and tender, and have a really difficult time peeing.

Has anyone tried this? What’s worked and how did you feel?

Golda Starr

27 Responses to “Detoxing – or Getting Fluoride OUT!!”

  1. Seth says:

    My understanding is that fluoride is deposited by the body into the bones, teeth, cartilage and joints as a way to shunt the deatly toxin away from the rest of the body.

    In other words, once it goes in, it never comes out. Furthermore, the fluosilicic acid industrial waste being added my most water utilities includes other deadly toxins such as lead an arsenic, which are not present in naturally ocurring fluoride.

    That’s what’s so terrible about being forced to ingest it.

  2. Dionte Doss-Roberson says:

    The best way to rid the body is to get 30 minutes of sunlight a day to stimulate your endocrine system. Exercise releases fluoride because when you heat up you sweat and your pores are opened and the fluoride compounds are released. Drinking lots of water with no additives in it. Eating a well balanced diet. Getting to bed at the same time every night, dont drink alcohol and dont smoke.

    • Dionte Doss-Roberson says:

      and taking natural vitamins.

      • Carolyn Steere says:

        organic… check out F in fruits. So if I read something thats true… grapes are very high. that and sulfates in wine yikes
        seriously

    • goldastarr says:

      I’m all about exercise and sunlight!! Wondering if you’ve found some research supporting the notion that exercise and sunlight help to release fluoride? Please let us all know!!

    • Mj says:

      Less than one percent of any heavy metal or toxin can be released through sweat. Your primary detox function is liver/kidney/bowel/bladder. You do not sweat out toxins. Sweating excessively dehydrates the body and slows the detox process, because your detox organs NEED water to dilute the toxins and send them out. Balance minerals so your body can release the toxic crap and put the good metals in, exercise to stimulate circulation, metabolic release (stored in fat too, and joints have terrible circulation) and drink lots of distilled water with balanced electrolytes added.

  3. Molly Malone says:

    Food may well work for some when it comes to detoxing, but unfortunately it is not always enough. Our food is not as nutritious as it once was, no thanks to synthetic fertilizers and toxic chemicals in many forms. Even organic foods which have been measured, while far more nutritious than their non-organic counterparts, are still less than they once were and less than they should be. In light of all we currently know, think we know, and are able to do, shouldn’t our food be more nutritious instead of less?

    Anyway, the point I would like to make is that supplements can help a great deal, especially if a person is so ill or so “broken” that even the best food is not strong enough to help. Aliss is correct about the relative deficiencies that some supplements can create, but these are easily overcome by taking others to balance them. For example, I am niacin dependent (vitamin B3). In order to not create more deficiencies in other B vitamins I take a B-complex with my niacin at breakfast. I must take niacin with each meal, the B-complex with breakfast only. If I have a stressful day, I also take it with lunch. It works, has for years now.

    For help understanding supplements try Andrew Saul’s site, http://www.doctoryourself.com/ it’s very helpful as are his books.
    Best of Health to All!

  4. After reading the previous comments I get the impression that people are looking for the magic bullet. There is no magic bullet for getting rid of fluoride. Only hard work and sacrifices. There is no such thing as being fluoride free. The only thing a person can do is restrict their intake of fluoride. Fluoride is everywhere and the only way to safely reduce the burden on your body is by exercising and use of a sauna. The body gets rid of fluoride through sweating and breathing and saliva, stool and urine. The time will come when a breathalyzer will be used to determine the fluoride burden on the body.

    People have to spread the word or even brag about the good things that were gained by reducing their fluoride intake.

    After my wife switched to bottled water without F she no longer has gum pockets. We no longer brush with F toothpaste. We no longer have headaches or sinus problems. I no longer have prostate problems like I had before. I no longer have high blood pressure which is from F. Cavities is the bodies way of releasing fluoride. Plug that hole with a non-filtering material and the fluoride is retained in the body to do damage. Teeth will change color from ingested fluoride. Point seven is not low enough to prevent dental fluorosis. I had white teeth up until I was sixty when I was fluoride poisoned. I was brought up on ( 0.30 PPM ) natural fluoride in the drinking water.

    I have had five hair tests. Nine toxins and twelve minerals are tested. This was while I was reducing my F in take. It was interesting every year watching my toxins go down and my minerals go up. The body needs minerals for a good immune system. I take no meds.

    • Lollie S says:

      Hi, I was wondering what bottled water you switched to? And besides the toothpaste, are there any other ways to detox from F? i.e. foods, chemical cleaners and so on? Thanks

    • Carolyn Steere says:

      I went cold turkey off of Prozac because of its F content. It was tough and lingers for a while. Nothing good comes easy. That was a trick mind set. I value my own power to much to hand it over to annother drug ever again. Just liberating myself is a big enough pay back for me. I may never feel like I used to.. but who knows in time I might feel better that I have in a very long time. Think of the possibilities once we start to Liberate ourselves.

  5. Golda Starr says:

    This is so helpful and it clarifies some of my concerns PLUS lets me know how bone broth can be safe! Initially I wasn’t sure what you meant by animals raised in the traditional way – but now I get it.

    Have you checked out the little video on the http://FluorideDetective.com/pets page? You may find it interesting.

  6. Golda Starr says:

    Agreed. Food based nutrition can be superior. I have cautions on bone broth. One is with respect to mechanically deboned meat being quite high in fluoride. If purchasing broth, I question the fluoride content of it – and of course it is never tested.

    I’ve inquired with some of the “experts” and they don’t have any figures on the fluoride content of broth. As we’ve seen, the fluoride content of baby food meats is quite high due to the fact that the meat is mechanically deboned. Also, fluoride concentrates in animal bones, so making broth of it may be questionable as the fluoride would leech into the broth. The animal would need to be fed nonfluoridated water and foods that don’t contain fluoride – which probably means that they need to have eaten a vegetarian diet. Remember how high the fluoride content is in pet foods? (see my “Pet” page)

    How about if we say bone broth is good when it’s made with bones of animals fed a vegetarian diet and provided with nonfluoridated water?

    • admin says:

      ’ve written several posts about the fluoride content of broth. Mostly, I’ve been able to figure it out through trial and error over the pasts two years. My skin reacts to fluoride in 3-5 hours, so it is relatively easy for me to figure out which foods contains significant amounts. It is not all that helpful for “experts” to measure the fluoride content of stock because it varies drastically depending on how the animal was raised (just as it does with humans).

      Most of the fluoride that is stored in the animal’s bones comes from fluoride-based pesticides in their feed. Smaller animals (like chickens and turkeys) have less tolerance for fluoride than larger animals (like cows). Also, cows are herbivores so if you purchase beef bones from animals raised in the traditional manner, they will have spent their life grazing on grass instead of eating feed.

      The best option is to make homemade beef stock from animals who are raised on organic pasture. I never recommend store-bought stock. Here are two great websites for finding local farmers who raise their animals in the traditional manner:

      http://www.eatwild.com/

      http://www.westonaprice.org/

      (I am researching all this info for an e-book I am writing about fluoroderma. I hope it’s helpful!)

      • Molly Malone says:

        Agreed! Also, even organic packaged broths contain several sources of hidden MSG – another little beauty nobody should be eating. It causes all sorts of negative reactions in the body, some similar to fluoride. For me, it’s migraines – yuk.

  7. Melissa says:

    This information is fantastic –thanks to each of you! I especially like this line from Aliss:

    “…all nutrients are synergistic when proportional to each other as Nature would provide from the freshest foods and surface or rain water available for the finding.”

    This is pretty much the basis for my bone broth theory. Supplements have their purpose, but I’ve found they are rarely as effective as truly nutrient-dense food sources of whatever element you are trying to supplement. Homemade bone broth might not contain as much boron as a boron supplement, but maybe it doesn’t have to.

    Bone broth (from a healthy animal raised in the traditional manner) contains the complete spectrum of minerals and other nutrients the body needs for healthy bones and connective tissue. I just don’t think we are at the point in our nutritional knowledge as a society where we are able to make effective supplements. We don’t know how all the minerals interact or what ratios in which they should be consumed, or how to effectively measure them in the body. To me, it makes more sense to heal fluoride poisoning with the same healing foods people have been using throughout history.

    See, http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/515-broth-is-beautiful for a look at the history of bone broth in world cuisine.

    If anyone has more info on boron or other minerals to detox fluoride, I would love to hear about it. My contact info is here: http://www.celluliteinvestigation.com/contact

    Thanks again!

  8. Golda Starr says:

    Melissa, I read some web page where the guy was using dilutions of borax to bind with fluoride for detoxing. Not thinking that was the route I wanted to go, I researched and found various references to detoxing with boron. Aliss answered the question of just how much boron is within the range of safety and effectiveness.

    Iodine is another detoxer. For that, I defer to the thoughtful folks at iodine yahoogroups.com. A great resource.

  9. Aliss says:

    Sorry, I don’t know the effects of taking high doses of boron but my guess is this: all nutrients are synergistic when proportional to each other as Nature would provide from the freshest foods and surface or rain water available for the finding.

    If you get too much of one thing through supplement or monodiet you can create relative deficiencies in other things or block their uptake from the gut. Example is taking a lot of zinc and causing copper deficiency; eating liver from an animal that is known to have toxic amounts of vitamin A in liver (like bear) or taking calcium supplement which blocks iron uptake. Even taking a lot of C every day which helps excrete fluoride and aluminum very nicely can cause problems with depletion of companion nutrients like E.

    As daily fluoride overdose or chronic poisoning from accumulation or elevated background serum levels from acute poisoning depletes or causes relative deficiencies of calcium, magnesium, boron, iodine, selenium, zinc, C, E, D, K2 and who knows what else, taking large doses of boron might result in deficiency symptoms of something else once the boron deficiency has been solved.

    Or you just might get a tummy ache – I don’t know. Boron is a trace mineral and trace minerals have tighter ranges of optimal intake (sometimes in nano or micrograms, very low) and lower ceiling for toxicity than macro nutrients like calcium, magnesium, proteins, fats and carbohydrates. Iron and cobalt are examples. Toxic and even fatal if you take too much, but absolutely essential for making blood.

  10. Aliss says:

    As for boron: 3-10 mg is the usual daily intake that seems to help most of us. Boron citrate is a commonly available form in tablet or capsule. Borax (the cleaning agent) is sometimes mentioned as a source of boron that can be supplemented, but it may be contaminated with heavy metals, may provide too much sodium, and is difficult to control dose (e.g. like fluoridation!) so it is not recommended. I used to use borax and no longer do. I stick to reputable supplemental grade.

  11. Aliss says:

    About baking soda: The Arm and Hammer baking soda is food grade, so no worries about heavy metals. Unfortunately sodium bicarbonate does not bind fluoride although it can be useful to raise the pH of urine a bit, which does improve fluoride excretion in urine if the urine was previously too acidic. ¼ teaspoon in a glass of water with a generous pinch of ascorbic acid powder makes a refreshing drink, a bit bubbly.

    Calcium phosphate binds fluoride. You can take Schuessler tissue salt Calc Phos for this. Vitamin C and trace minerals like selenium, zinc, boron, molybdenum, strontium help bones attract calcium instead of fluoride. Vitamin K2 as menaquinone or menatetrenone ferries calcium into bone.

    Things that help bone turn over faster are exercise and fasting. So if you exercise on empty stomach (equivalent of short term fast), hydrate with water that has at least 1,000 mg of vitamin C (buffered,
    such as calcium ascorbate with some sodium ascorbate) during exercise, then have the post-exercise meal that is rich in calcium, minerals and protein, you kick out more lead, aluminum and fluoride from bone, excrete more in urine, and replenish your bones with fluoride-fighting nutrients.

    It’s not a magic cure but it helps with symptoms a lot.

  12. LadySultan says:

    I found an article I had saved that explained the relation between Fluorine, Chlorine, Bromine and Iodine. The iodine is the heaviest, which is why it can be displaced by the other three. Here is an excerpt from the article (from Folk Medicine by D.C. Jarvis, MD):

    It is well established that the iodine content of the thyroid gland is dependent upon the iodine available in the food and water intake of the individual. If the iodine intake is low the gland is deprived of an element it needs to do its work……

    This gland performs other functions besides killing harmful germs in the blood. The first is the rebuilding of energy with which to do the day’s work. There is a definite relationship between the amount of energy you have and your iodine intake…..

    A second function of iodine is to calm the body and relieve nervous tension. When nervous tension runs high there is irritability and difficulty in sleeping well at night, and the body is continually on a combat basis, organized for fight and flight. All these points stress a body’s need for iodine to lessen nervous tension, relax the body and enable it to or-ganize for peace and quiet, by the building and storing of body reserves against time of need…..

    A third function of iodine in the human body relates to clear thinking. The mind simply works better when the body is supplied the iodine it needs.

    Then there is the matter of the storing of unwanted fat. Iodine is one of the best oxidizing catalysts we have. A catalyst is the match which touches off in the body the fire that burns up the food we take in each day. If this food is not properly burned off, it may be stored as unwanted fat.

    Now while the thyroid gland helpfully stores iodine from the blood passing through it every 17 minutes, the gland may also be made to lose that stored iodine if, for example, we take in drinking water to which chlorine is added, or use too much sodium chloride, whose common name is table salt. There is a well-known law of halogen displacement. The halogen group is made up as follows:
    Relative Halogen Atomic Weight
    Fluorine 19.
    Chlorine 35.5
    Bromine 80.
    Iodine 127.

    The critical activity of any one of these four halogens is in inverse proportion to its atomic weight. This means that any one of the four can displace the element with a higher atomic weight, but cannot displace an element with a lower atomic weight. For example, fluorine can displace chlorine, bromine and iodine because fluorine has a lower atomic weight than the other three. Similarly, chlorine can displace bromine and iodine because they both have a higher atomic weight.

    Likewise, bromine can displace iodine from the body because iodine has a higher atomic weight. But a reverse order is not possible. A knowledge of this well-known chemical law brings us to a consideration of the addition of chlorine to our drinking water as a purifying agent. We secure a drinking water that is harmful to the body not because of its harmful germ content but because the chlorine content now causes the body to lose the much-needed iodine……

    Hope that helps!

    Karen

    • Molly Malone says:

      Excellent, thank you! The reason that the lighter halogen elements displace the heavier ones isn’t due to their atomic mass but rather to their reactivity (electronegativity is the measure of this). The reactivity of the elements decreases as their atomic mass increases, giving a useful mnemonic for recalling which does what. Fluorine, F, is the most electronegative element on the entire periodic chart. This knowledge alone should make everyone question its purpose and safety when consumed. Unfortunately, not all were listening when it was quietly dumped into our water…

  13. LadySultan says:

    I always thought that natural fluoride wasn’t as bad for you as the kind they put in water and toothpastes, and the fluorides in teas would logically be natural. But it sounds like the natural kind is no better than the other.

    And also, I had always thought it was the thyroid that was most effected by fluoride. I became furious a couple of years back when I realized they were adding bromine to bread as a dough conditioner, and saw that it was in ALL commercial breads (except Jewish or organic type breads).

    So, between fluoride and bromine and chlorine, our iodine gets displaced, since it’s the lighter of the four, or something. And people wind up with bad thyroids. And once the iodine gets displaced, it’s hard to get it re-balanced.

    And I had also heard about fluoride making ligaments more brittle, so it made sense there seemed to be more and more people with torn rotator cuffs and such.

    Karen

    • Morgan says:

      I’ve not done a ton of research on this but from what I’ve read I believe it is calcium fluoride that is supposed to be good for your teeth but what is added into water and toothpaste is sodium fluoride, which is a known neurotoxin. Apparently, sodium fluoride was first added into water at concentration camps during WWII and the Nazi’s found that it made the prisoners more docile. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but do your own research.

      • goldastarr says:

        It’s not uncommon for people to believe that Calcium Fluoride is the good guy and Sodium Fluoride is the bad guy. Fluoride is toxic in any form – but the degree of toxicity varies. Yes, calcium fluoride is known as the least toxic of the group. Here’s the Merck Veterinary Manual compares several types of fluoride:

        “There is a general correlation between solubility of a fluoride and its toxicity. Of the common fluorides, sodium fluoride is the most toxic, and calcium fluoride the least toxic. The fluorides of rock phosphates and most cryolites are of intermediate toxicity. Soluble fluorides originating from industrial fumes or dusts are more toxic than fluoride in rock phosphate.” (Merck Veterinary Manual)

        As far as which type of fluoride is good for your teeth: Research shows that it’s doubtful that ANY type of fluoride is good for them. When the variables are properly controlled, the rate of cavities of people living in fluoridated areas is not any different from those living in non-fluoridated areas. One of the primary variables that needs to be controlled is that the people in both areas must brush their teeth regularly and floss daily. When that is done, there is no difference.

        Sorry, the fluoride put into your public water supply is NOT sodium fluoride. Yes sodium fluoride is a harmful toxin – but there are other forms of fluoride, most notably hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride. These are literally industrial by-products with numerous additional toxin included in them. It is not cleaned or purified. Before putting it untreated directly into our drinking water, it had to be disposed of in toxic waste dumps. The stuff is dangerous.

  14. Melissa says:

    Golda, when/where did you read about boron’s ability to displace fluoride? I heard this from a registered pharmacist who specializes in iodine testing, but he didn’t know of any published articles.

    Have you tried homemade bone broth for detoxing fluoride? It’s my latest theory and so far, results are promising.

  15. Doug Cragoe says:

    I’ve been a fluoride detective like you in this area. It’s al long story, but years ago I found out the American Dental Association printed a “fact” about the number of nations with water fluoridation. They claimed a total of 60, but It turned out to be a made up number. Paul Connett and FAN spread the word. Then the British Fluoridation Society (source of the original number of 60) did their homework again (British Fluoridation Society publication “One in a Million”) and produced a more accurate count. The ADA then changed their wording of the supposed “fact” about the extent of fluoridation. I count a total of 32 nations with at least a little water fluoridation in the British Fluoridation Society’s “One in a million.” I think that number if more accurate than what you have in your table. Yes, accurate information about fluoridation does require some detective work.